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Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #246604 - 02/27/02 09:11 PM

I repost this here from the Forum Scholras Guild thread in general discussions, as it was intended to be the first part of a series. HAve fun. (Raptormeat, it would be great if youd also repost your reply, as I was going to write my next "letter" in reply to it)
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Morndas, 25th of Sun's Dawn, Cyrodiil, the imperial libraries


Dear guildmembers,

as I am preparing to get the Morrowind geographic survey expedition on the way for this spring, let me share some of my thoughts with you. I was searching the libraries for information on the geologic nature of Vvardenfell, and its simply shameful, how little information there was to be found. Actually I had the feeling that maybe a lot of information was purposefully removed (I could not track down several references mentioned elsewhere), maybe someone feared that this information might be put to use against the province of morrowind?
Well, still there is some information to be deduced from some maps I was able to find.


Theories on the general nature of Vvardenfell and the surrounding inner sea and

Considering the circular nature of the inner sea and the volcanic nature of the island two possibilities for the formation of this region of Tamriel need to be discussed.

formation by volcanic explosion:
We might speculate that the inner sea is in fact the result of a gigantic volcanic explosion in ancient times that has left a huge crater (a caldera). Subsequent volcanic eruptions could then have created Vvardenfell and Dagoth-Ur, slowly filling the Caldera. Against this theory speak the gentle slopes of Dagoth-Ur, which would suggest a rather basaltous nature of the magma, which in turn is not given to explosive volcanism. On the other hand we know that Dagoth-Ur was quiet for a long time in known history and the first eruptions were quite devastating. A sampling and analyses of the volcanic materials on the island which we will perform on our expedition should help us to better understand their nature.

formation by impact of a major heavenly body:
It is known to the sholars that heavenly bodies (also called meteorites or shooting stars) sometimes strike Nirn. A very great meteorite might have hit Tamriel and created the crater of the inner sea. The weakening of the underlying rock by this massive impact might have led to the intense volcanic activity in these parts, which then created Vvardenfell.
The mountainous areas that seem to surround the inner sea, speak for this theory, in my opinion.
we might be able to validate this theory if among the materials transported to the surface by the Volcano we can find pieces of the special materials thes "meteorites" are made of. I personally fafour this last theory, my dear friends, as it seems more in line with the morphology of Dagoth Ur that, as stated previously, seems t be of basaltic nature (we are having some, albeit doubtful reports on streams of Lava running from the mountain - impossible with more silicate magma!)

In either case the event of the creation of the inner sea seems to have been a major catastrophe that would have killed most life on Tamriel and even all of Nirn. Therefore it must have been an event in the very distant past long before written history, maybe even during the very creation of Nirn by the Gods.

I would very much appreiciate your thought on this matter. Can you think of any ways we might substantiate one of these theories? Or might there be another I have overlooked completely?

I shall write you again soon with some more thought on this interesting place I am so much looking forward to see.
I remain in thought and yours,

GhanBuriGhan
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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: GhanBuriGhan]
      #246614 - 02/27/02 09:22 PM

From geological standpoint, it looks like a caldera and quacks like one. However, legends from the Lorkhan cycle speak of "god fallen from the sky".

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: Qwerty]
      #246783 - 02/27/02 11:04 PM

Repost from Scholars Guild Thread:

Dear GhanBuriGhan,

"Subsequent volcanic eruptions could then have created Vvardenfell and Dagoth-Ur, slowly filling the Caldera"

Interesting that you use the word Caldera, as there is an Imperial town by that very same name between Balmora and Ald'ruhn. The double meaning had never occured to me, and perhaps it means nothing, but that remains to be seen. I have yet to visit so I do not know anything of the surrounding environment, but as it is a relatively recent Imperial town I doubt the name bears any relevance to the origin of the Vvardenfell.

As you hint in your letter, Dagoth-Ur was said to have erupted for the first time (in recorded history at least) in 1E 668. Our artifact record shows us that the Chimer and Dwemer were living on Vvardenfell well before this date, so if the subcontinent was formed by volcanic explosion (or, of course, by heavenly collision), I agree with your assessment that it must have been long before there had been inhabitants recorded as living there.

Perhaps Morrowind was once home to Men before the Chimer exodus from Sumerset Isle? Maybe even men who escaped from the Serpents of Akavir used to live there and were erased by the cataclysm that created Vvardenfell? Meaningless conjecture, but interesting....

Perhaps, and I find this more likely, Vvardenfell was simply on the original plans for Nirn, as crafted by Magus. Perhaps it has been as such always. As you say- we will doubtlessly learn more when we are able to visit.

Raptormeat

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: Raptormeat]
      #246870 - 02/27/02 11:59 PM

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Middas, 27th of Sun's Down, The imperial Geologic Society Building, Cyrodiil



Dear friends,

the things you mentioned have helped me remember a paragraph
from the "pocket guide to the empire", copies of which cover a whole
dusty shelf within this library:


"The vast Volcano of Tamriel, this giant mountain dominates the
north of Morrowind. It is a small continent all to itself, riven from the
rest of Morrowind by the remains of a colossal crater. On a clear day
(an exceedingly rare event), the peak can be seen from Almalexia, 250
miles to the south. At the time of the Nord Conquest, a Dwarven
kingdom flourished in the north of Morrowind, the region now covered
by the Vvardenfell volcano. Indeed, this vanished realm gave its name
to the mighty volcano that obliterated it - Vvardenfell is a Dwarven
word meaning "City of the Strong Shield". It is not known whether the
Dwarves of Vvardenfell were destroyed by the first eruption of the
volcano, or whether they had already met the mysterious fate of their
brethren across Tamriel (see Marobar Sul's Ancient Tales of the
Dwemer for a full discussion of the disappearance of the Dwarves).
Certainly, the Kingdom of Vvardenfell remained strong at the time of
the Nord Conquest. The doughty Dwarves, secure in their
underground fastnesses and united into one polity, were a far more
formidable foe than the divided and feuding Dark Elven clans, and
remained independent when the rest of Morrowind fell to the Nords.
The volcano first erupted in 1E 668; this date, at least, is well attested
in the written record. The eruption is still recalled in the tales of
numerous peoples - to the Nords it was "The Year of Winter in
Summer", to the khajiit, "Sun's Death". Legend attributes its birth to
the fall of a god to earth; whatever the cause, Vvardenfell has
slumbered uneasily for thousands of years, regularly blanketing the
surrounding region with ash. Providentially, the tall mountain range
between Morrowind and the rest of Tamriel has served to protect us
from the exhalations of Vvardenfell, restricting its ash storms to the
land of the Dark Elves, who seem made for life in its shadow. "



The falling god, while possibly a merely legendary explanation for the
catastrophy of the eruption of 1E 668 would truly sound to the
scientifically minded scholar like the distant memory of a falling star
hitting the earth. Whether such an event caused the eruption or not,
it must hav been unrealted to the much older event that created
Vvardenfell and the inner sea (the island itself was obviously in
existence before that time as it contained said Nord city, but may have
been stronlgy altered). The catastrophy, although large, of 1E 668
was not nearly as cataclysmic as the one that must have created the
larger crater of the inner sea.

Should meteors have been responsible for both events? That would
seem an incredible and entirely mysterious coincidence.
In any case I shall definitely have to approach and possibly climb
Dagoth Ur, despite the risk. The answers should be fairly easy to find
there. Maybe more new questions then answers in the end, but thus
is our fate...

The existence of the city "Caldera" is certainly interesting. Maybe more
was once known about the origin of the big crater than today.
Considering what is rumoured about the advanced science of
the "dwarves" this may well be true.


GhanBuriGhan
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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: GhanBuriGhan]
      #247336 - 02/28/02 08:48 AM

That is delightfully interesting.

I must conduct more research myself.

Interestingly enough it might have been the blast of 1E 668 that led the island of morrowind to drift away from the mainland.

Maybe there is evidence of Dwarven ruins in the oceans surrounding morrowind?
I shall most definutely explore the sea bed around the island.
(More on this later)



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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: XI]
      #256545 - 03/06/02 11:05 PM

Middas, 6th of first seed, Imperial treasury
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My dear friends!


Here I sit my friends, amongst riches few of you will have the power to imagine! The empire has amassed treasures of the most extravagant sort, and I am awed by the things I have seen: Precious stones, the finest armor, swords shimmering with magic power, necklaces, tapestrys of gold and silver threads... all heaped up carelessly in this immense vault of the imperial treasury. And I have only seen what has been stored in the hallways, what may lie behind the Mithril doors that I passed, guarded by silent and watchful guards?

But I am not writing you to make you yealous of our great empires treasures! The reason I spent much time and many words to convince the imperial court to allow me to descend to this vault is that among all the other things, it also contains the best and most complete collection of gems, ores and minerals from all part of the empire.

Among the most famous exports of Morrowind seems to be ebony, and its truly an wondrous material, highly valued for weapons and armor. Here is a snippet I found in a booklet about some of the ingredients used for alchemy in Morrowind:

Raw Ebony
Raw ebony is one of the most precious substances in the Empire, and most of the continent's deposits are here on Vvardenfell. Raw ebony itself is an extremely hard, durable, black glass-like substance, said to be the crystalized blood of the gods. Raw ebony is protected by Imperial law, and may not be mined or exported without an Imperial charter. Ebony smuggling is a profitable but dangerous source of illegal wealth on Vvardenfell.


Many of the inhabitants seem to think that ebony, and also "glass" are directly linked to the Volcano, and transported to the surface by its fires.

What does this tell us about the Volcano? The volcanoes in other parts of Tamriel rarely produce minerals or ores in greater quantitiy. These are found rather in old, deep rocks where the great pressures and hot fluids of the depths have formed and deposited them. If such things are indeed found in the deposits of Dagoth-Ur, I believe it would lend credence to our theory of a metoer impact associated with the formation of Vvardenfell itstelf and / or the eruption of the volcano in 1E668. Such an impact could have shattered the crust so much that ores and rocks from far below are now being transported to the surface. Maybe some of these materials even stem from the fallen star itself. We have little knowledge though on the composition of such a thing.
Either way the notion of the locals that it is "crystallized blood of the gods" might be a distant memory linking it to the meteor impact, that has also been described as a "fall of a god to earth"

The specimens I have before me seem to be twisted and shaped like from great heat:



I am very curious what other minerals I may find here in this collection and on the expedition to Morrowind.

Until then,

GhanBuriGhan

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: GhanBuriGhan]
      #256832 - 03/07/02 01:44 AM

While I would of course defer to my esteemed colleague Prof. Ghan in all matters geologic, I may perhaps contribute my own small mite to this discussion.

In my research in the very oldest Nord records, I found ancient maps which showed no island in the north of modern Morrowind -- just a region labeled "Dwemereth" which encompassed the island of Vvardenfell as we know it as well as a rather wide swath of what is now the mainland. Indeed, as best as could be made out from the rather crude map, the coastline once extended some distance further north than Vvardenfell does now.

I defer to my more learned colleagues to determine the process of formation of the geologic structures of present-day Morrowind, but I have no doubt that in ancient times Vvardenfell was part of the mainland.

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: Hasphat Antabolis]
      #258151 - 03/07/02 07:27 PM

"In my research in the very oldest Nord records, I found ancient maps which showed no island in the north of modern Morrowind -- just a region labeled "Dwemereth" which encompassed the island of Vvardenfell as we know it as well as a rather wide swath of what is now the mainland. Indeed, as best as could be made out from the rather crude map, the coastline once extended some distance further north than Vvardenfell does now."

Interesting point from the Imperial Library's Tamriel Pantheon page:

(About Vivec saving his people):
"He/she has saved the Dunmeri people from certain death on numerous occasions, most notably when he/she taught them how to breathe water (for a span) so that he/she could flood Morrowind and kill the Akaviri invaders, ca. 2E572. "

Now, this is way after the eruption of the volcanoe and way way after the first empire (its even after the second empire)... actually, come to think of it, I don't even remember hearing about an invasion during this time period <shrug>...

Anyway, even though its relatively recent, etc, perhaps this is related to why there is a ring of sea around Vvardenfell and Morrowind is a bit smaller than it used to be?

In fact- I have an unrelated question that probably no one will be ablt o answer. Where did that Tamriel Pantheon stuff come from? There are no references, and I don't think they are compilations of previously known info.... Plus, they are all in the UESP as well. I've been confused by this for a long long time....

EDIT: I see that the Tamriel Pantheon is available in word97 .doc form from the UESP... maybe it was sent to someone by a dev at one point?

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: Raptormeat]
      #258260 - 03/07/02 08:52 PM


In reply to:


Jobasha has not heard that. Jobasha heard the Akaviri were driven from Morrowind by the spirit of King Wulfharth in the battle with Ada'Soom and not defeated until they met Reman Cyrodiil's army. But all that was in the First Era so who can say? If Vivec caused the drowning, it would explain the difference in maps from the First Era.




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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: affamu]
      #258282 - 03/07/02 09:07 PM

"Jobasha heard the Akaviri were driven from Morrowind by the spirit of King Wulfharth in the battle with Ada'Soom and not defeated until they met Reman Cyrodiil's army"

Me and Jobasha are just about on the same page, then

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: Hasphat Antabolis]
      #262009 - 03/12/02 01:19 AM

11th of first seed Imperial Library. Maps division.

Dear Hasphat Antabolis!

Amazingly interesting information, I thank you so much. I have spent many hours among these dusty maps, but unfortunately I have not found one nearly as ancient as the one you describe. Once I arrive in Morrowind I shall see if I can talk the dark elves into letting me into their own archives, maybe I shall have more luck there.
But I do not doubt what you have told me, although it may seem to complicate things a little. What do we know about the sequence of events?

In reply to:


Middle Merethic era:
"The Chimer [ancestors of the modern Dunmer, or Dark Elves], dynamic, ambitious, long-lived Elven clans devoted to fundamentalist ancestor worship, followed the Prophet Veloth out of ancestral Elven homelands to settle in the lands now known as Morrowind. "
Late Merethic era:
"Nordic hero Ysgramor, leader of a great colonizing fleet to Tamriel, (...)lands at Hsaarik Head at the extreme northern tip of Skyrim's Broken Cape. The Nords build there the legendary city of Saarthal. The Elves drive the Men away during the Night of Tears, but Ysgramor soon returns with his Five Hundred Companions."
(TIL, History, Merethic era)

1E240: Skyrim conquers Morrowind and High Rock.
1E401-1E415: Indoril Nerevar and Dumac Dwarfking unite the Chimer and Dwemer of Morrowind against the occupying forces of Skyrim.
1E416: Nords are driven out of Morrowind. Resdayn is founded as united Chimeri and Dwemeri Kingdom.
1E668: The Vvardenfell Mountain erupts destroying the dwarven kingdom in Morrowind.
(TIL, History, First era)




Thus, the earliest Nord maps could be from the late Merethic era or from any time before the eruption of the volcano. The last entry would imply however, that a "Vvardenfell mountian" was already present and not formed after the explosion that formed the crater.
Thus historic record seems to imply only one cataclysmic event (the eruption in 1E668). It seems difficult however to reconcile this idea with the massive change of landscape (creation of the inner sea) and a continued chimer tradition on Vvardenfell as well as the evidence that points towards an impact as stated in my earlier letters. And than there is the myth of a great flooding of Morrowind (2E572, according to Dunmer tradition, as my esteemed colleague Raptormeat noted - however this event is not listed in the History of Tamriel!).

So here is my new proposal:

Sometime during the Dawn era, a great heavenly body (The Lorkan of Myth) strikes Tamriel and creates a giant crater. The weakened crust allows the formation of a great volcano:
"Lorkhan is condemned to exile in the mortal realms, and his heart is torn out and cast from the Tower. Where it lands a Volcano forms. "
(TIL, History, Dawn Era)

However, the crater at this time is not yet connected with the surrounding sea, instead the ring of the crater extends its circle northward, in an arch ranging from Blacklight to Firewatch. Probably this northern dam is only narrow and not very high, just sheltering the lower part of the crater from the surrounding sea.

The eruption of 1E668 or the accompanying earthquakes in its aftermath than shatter the dam and the sea pours in (a truly catastrophic event, that many chimer in the higher parts of southern Vvardenfell could nevertheless have survived) which is remembered in the accounts of a great flood which might later have been attributed to the now popular Vivec. (TIL, Tamriel Gods, Dunmer gods)

The hypothesis could be tested by measuring the sea depth in the north of Vvardenfell and studing the sedimets on the sea floor in general.

What do you Hasphat, and my fellow scholars think?

On another note, my preparations for the expedition are going well. We have stocked some amazing new magical instruments, that will allow us to see deep inside the rocks, and I have also ordered a small cartload of water breathing potions, to facilitate our work on the sea bed.

Cheerfully yours,

GhanBuriGhan

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: GhanBuriGhan]
      #262026 - 03/12/02 01:30 AM

Ghan,

What do you Hasphat, and my fellow scholars think?

I agree so much that I have nothing to add. From what we have available to us, this seems to be a very legitimate theory and I find no fault. I will try and do a bit more research, perhaps I will be able to add something

Raptormeat

PS- By the way, my friend, I find it interesting to note your decidedly scientific stance on these matters. Quite interesting, and a refreshing change from the usual type of "scholar" in Nirn...

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      #474472 - 06/14/02 12:18 AM

If Bethesda continues using fan written material, like the books in TES III taken from Xanathar's Library, who knows. Could be useful, and it is good research.

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      #846693 - 10/24/02 03:26 PM

Something I recently noticed in sermon 36 that kindof relates to this discussion is this passage:

In reply to:

Dwemeri high priest Kagrenac then revealed that which he had built in the image of Vivec. It was a walking star, which burnt the armies of the Triune and destroyed the heartland of Veloth, creating the Inner Sea




While most likely untrue its something to think about.

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      #850409 - 10/25/02 10:17 PM

OOC: who the hell raised this thread form the dead??? Now I have to continue it


Dagon Fel, 25th of Frostfall

Dear colleagues, excuse my long silence. Things have not gone as planned - after the long voyge, almost in sight of Vvardenfell, my ship, the "manifest destiny" (what an ominous name!) foundered on the sharp rocks of the sea of ghosts in what was not even really a storm but just a strong wind, and joined the many wrecks that allready litter the area. It seems all of my crew and the other members of the expedition fell prey to the terrible salughterfish, and some were pulled under water by what looked like crab-men. Dreugh, they are called, I believe. Until now I have not found any other survivors. I was lucky enough to grab hold of a barrel and finally drifted ashore on a barren island. I wandered around the barren island, but finally I found a path, and was able to find my way to the Nord outpost at Dagon Fel.

What a terrible blow to my plans for this expedition. Well, I will try to make the best of the situation and gather what data I can by myself. Finally I also seem to have found a courier that can be trusted. This Nord is sailing to the mainland tomorrow, and I hope he will be true to his word and deliver this letter.

My fist observation concerns the Sea of Ghosts - most intriguing for a geologist. Miles from the shore the sea is littered by needle like rocks, extending just above the sea level - How the nords manage to navigate these waters is beyond me, we were certainly fools to even try. The Islands of the sheogorad region,seem to be formed from granite, and are often bare, in many places vegetation is missing. The most striking plants here are the giant mushrooms, as large as trees.

The rocks in the sea of ghosts, are intriguing - the only explanation I can think of is that they are the result of erosion, dating back to the time when the inner sea was formed - obviously these rocks must have been harder then the material that surrounded them and were thus left behind. I assume they are the remains of the large impact I have speculated about - they must literally have fallen from the sky here when a gigantic explosion shattered the hard granite bedrock that also makes up the sheogorad islands. These islands might be all that remains of the former continental shield in this region - I shall see when I travel inland, but I assume on Vvardenfell itself, I shall see mostly volcanic deposits.

Tomorrow I will take a ship to Khuul - as interesting as the rock spires are, I hope that this time my ship will not make any unduly close contact with them...

Yours truly and undaunted,

GhanBuriGhan

P.S. All the magical equipment was lost as well - I will have to do good old pickaxe work, I am afraid...


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      #852794 - 10/26/02 07:19 PM

In reply to:

OOC: who the hell raised this thread form the dead??? Now I have to continue it



*points finger at Nazz*

I mentioned it in another thread, but Nazz is the one who brought it up.

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      #852814 - 10/26/02 07:31 PM

Yeah well... well I had forgotten about it until you brought it up so its your fault.

Besides I think the thread merits continuing.

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #863340 - 11/01/02 12:18 AM

The implications of this discussion have put me in a mood of profound sadness, and hopelessness for the fate of our world. Does anyone think it was a coincidence or a surprise that such a catastrophe should occur during a battle? I am thinking about how many individuals and factions there are who either live in or sometimes visit Tamriel, who have the power to use a mountain as a weapon, as if it were a stone from a sling.

How much safer and more comfortable would we all be if this were not so?

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #1054112 - 01/30/03 01:16 AM

Freddo just notified me that the thread deletion doesn't apply to this forum, which makes sense. I was just playing it safe, I guess So this will be my last thread ressurection.

Consider my mistakes to be helpful reminders for your benefit!!!

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #1056124 - 01/30/03 05:34 PM

It now seems like the old threads here might get deleted aswell. I'm not sure. For the other forums it's 4 months of inactivity = thread gone.

But the old threads are still here. I'm not sure what to think But on the other forums the older threads are gone (except for Past Games).

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #1056502 - 01/30/03 08:00 PM

Well I'll keep my fingers crossed and hold you accountable for whatever happens, Freddo

Thanks for keeping us updated.

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #1056523 - 01/30/03 08:11 PM

I'm 100% sure now. The oldies here will be gone too. When, I have no idea.

EDIT: They are gone now.

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #1059482 - 01/31/03 09:37 PM

hahah, this is great, keep it up.

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #1061218 - 02/01/03 08:37 AM

i don't know if this has been addressed or not;

but the town of Caldera was most likely named for the mining operation located in the colapsed parasitic cone. such are usually formed by larger volcanoes and their subsidiary venting. easy access to Ebony vein.




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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #1340412 - 04/27/03 06:29 PM

Ah, a bump is needed here...

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #1340618 - 04/27/03 07:38 PM

Burp, I mean bump

Too snobish for me (just not enough time really)

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars)
      #1341791 - 04/28/03 02:33 AM

Hey, Ghan, are there going to be any expeditions to Mournhold or Solstheim?

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: B]
      #1690658 - 08/08/03 11:08 PM

Well it seems that there has been no word of the expedition since it reached Morrowind Hopefully they have not all been sacrificed to the Daedra by the Dunmer savages

Does anyone have any word on the matter?

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Re: Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars) [Re: phil_t]
      #1692059 - 08/09/03 08:01 AM

To my fellow colleagues in mind and soul,

I have spent years studying the Dwemer ruins at Stros'Maki, also known as Hammerfall. It has come to my attention that there are engines here unlike any I have seen before. They appear to be the central source of all energy here. Yet I have never heard of such devices being used upon the island of Vvardenfell. This leads me to believe there was some source of energy utilized by the Vvardenfell Dwemer that was not dependent on such monolithic constructions.

As the center of Dwemer activity was apparently within the crater of the volcano upon the island, it is not unlikely that this source of power was located there. Possibly this focused around the lava veins of the Red Mountain, but there is another thing to consider.

There are rumors of a celestial body falling there. It was not likely large in size, as it would have left some trace. It is far more likely that a small item of unusally high density crashed into this portion of Tamriel. Moving at unusally high speeds, it created a massive crater, now called the Inner Sea. As time passed, the penetration of the meteor caused permanent damage. It rupture the lining between the bedrock and molten rock, which did not heal over. Stress formed Red Mountain, which in turn formed Vvardenfell.

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