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Dear Fellow Guildmembers,
I did not want you to think that I had abandoned you in your scholarly quests. I have enrolled in Altmer Studies (this stems from my interest in The Psijic Order of the Isle of Artaeum). I have been off in The Imperial Library searching for information on the Altmer and their religion. I have found numerous texts that have shed light upon these Elves. During this quest for knowledge, I couldn't help but wander over to the section of the Library which houses my first love: The Psijic Order.
In my combined research of the Psijic Order and the Altmer in general, I have become intrigued with Lorkhan (The Missing God) and his relationship to the High Elves. Basically, I have found that Altmer find him to be "the most unholy of all higher powers, as he forever broke their connection to the spirit plane."
The Dunmer, however, connect Lorkhan to the "Psijiic Endeavor, a process by which mortals are charged with transcending the gods that created them."
Where I become confused is in the Psijic Order, undoubtedly Altmer, and their connection with the Psijic Endeavor. One would assume that the two ideas are intertwined. In fact, a key piece of Psijic literature, The Old Ways, states that, "Any neophyte of Artaeum knows that the spirits are our ancestors, and that, while living, they too were bewildered by the spirits of their ancestors, and so on to the original Acharyai. The daedra and gods the common people turn to are no more than the spirits of superior men and women whose power and passion granted them great influence in the phantom world." I view this as a way for certain people to get back to the spirit plane, despite Lorkhan's efforts, via a "loop hole" so to speak. It continues to say, "...we can easily grasp the necessity of both bringing good men great power and making powerful men good. We recognize the multiple threats that a strong tyrant represents -- he breeds cruelty which feeds the daedra Boethiah and hatred which feeds the daedra Vaernima; if he should he die performing a particularly malevolent act, he may go to rule in Oblivion; worst of all, he inspires other villians to power and other rulers to villiany. Knowing this, we have developed patience in our dealings with such despots. They should be crippled, humiliated, impoverished, imprisoned."
But should not the Psijic Order despise Lorkhan for bringing about the creation of the mortal plane, thus severing their connection to the spirit plane, even if only for awhile? Would the Psijic Order willing want to be associated with "the most unholy of all higher powers?"
Maybe Lorkhan is only associated with "the Psijiic Endeavor" in Morrowind. But why then the name Psijic? Is it possible that the Psijics do not feel as other Altmer do?
Along the same lines, if this "Psijic Endeavor" belief is prevalent in Morrowind, did/will any of the Dark Elf gods ascend to "god-hood" through this process?
These are just some of the questions that I hope to find answers to in my studies of the Altmer.
So you see my brothers and sisters, I have not abandoned you. I only wish to prove myself worthy of my newly chosen title. If you have any information that would be of use to me, do not hesitate to correspond. I must get back to my studies of the Altmer and their ways.
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Though not really relavent to what your looking for Lorkhan is metioned several times in the five songs of king wulfharth over at Xanathars if you want to read a little more on him.
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>>Along the same lines, if this "Psijic Endeavor" belief is prevalent in Morrowind, did/will any of the Dark Elf gods ascend to "god-hood" through this process?
Cannot tell you. When Morrowind's out, you'll know. In the meantime, someone from the Guild should write an summary of documented cases of Apotheosis (ascention to godhood). Heck, I might as well 
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For anyone who is interested in learning more about this topic, here are some sources to get you started. I would appreciate your input on this matter.
The Psijic Order
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Fragment: On Artaeum
The Old Ways
Origin of Mages Guild
Galerion the Mystic
Mysticism
Altmer Lore
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Altmer Gods
High Elven Creation Myth
Edited by B (03/01/02 05:00 PM)
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A very interesting sholary problem (although far removed from the more down to earth problems I normally concern myself with). I shall read the references before I shall give my opinion on the matter...
*hobbles off to the library*
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Dear Guildmembers,
By searching through the Library, I think I am starting to put together some of the pieces. In some cases, I have been reading the same texts over and over again in an attempt to understand of all of this.
The whole "Psijic Endeavor" idea seems to stem from the belief that the Elves are related to the divine. Basically, "Humans take the humble path that they were 'created' by the immortal forces, while the Aldmer claim 'descent from them'" (Monomyth).
After Lorkhan "tricked" many of the aspects of the Aurbis into creating a soul (also called Mundus, or the Mortal Plane), the aspects eventually began to die off. Many of them disappeared completely, some escaped, and others married and created children just to last. Each generation was weaker than the one before it, and eventually, the Aldmer (Elves) were born (High Elven Creation Myth).
I later learned where the Psijic Order stands on this from reading The Myth of Aurbis: The Psijiic Compensation, which is a summary of the Elder view. "This was an attempt by Artaeum apologists to explain the basics of Aldmeri religion to Uriel V in the early, glorious part of his reign. It quietly avoided any blame or bias against the Lorkhan-concept" (Monomyth). The Psijic Order seems to ignore the blame part of this whole mess, and tries to work within the natural way of things, so to speak.
The Order believes that the magical beings of Mythic Aurbis, then, having died, became the et’Ada. The et’Ada are the things perceived and revered by the mortals as gods or spirits (Monomyth). I think that the Psijic Order feels that the people on the Mortal Plane are children of the et'Ada, and since the et'Ada are worshipped, then great people should be able to ascend into godhood and eventually be worshipped. It almost seems as if they are saying, "If our ancestors did it, we can do it, too." It is unclear to me if they feel that they are the ones to ascend into godhood, or just identify perspective canidates and help guild them in the process (I am leaning toward the latter of the two).
Unfortunately, this is only my interpretation. So it remains the Psijic Theory, to me, until I find proof that someone in the Mortal Plane (Mundus) has done it. Now the question becomes, how many people have ascended into godhood from the Mortal Plane?
I wait patiently for QWERTY...
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B,
Forgive me for not responding earlier. I am slow to motivate, but now I am motivated.
Your research has taken you to the lengths of my own speculations. After first bringing the subject of the Psijic Endeavor, I now have a slightly different take on the process. When I first posted, I was thinking about the Endeavor from the point of view of a MAN. In other words, I thought the process was "I'm going to do this thing which, once completed, will fundamentally change me into a God, which is something completely different from a human."
From the point of view of a Mer, however, which is the proper point of view in this matter, the process instead becomes "I am to escalate my greatness until I become greater than my ancestors." Not exactly EASIER... but it is much different than changing into something else.
Now, to address the issue of certain people ascending to godhood. If I may neglect to address the most obvious cases of this kind of legend (Ar'kay, King of Worms, as well as any others), I want to jump right to the one I think is the most important- The Tribunal.
The Tribunal is the perfect instance of mortals becoming gods. Though the average Dunmer will tell you that Vivec, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil have always been gods (even when Mephala, Boethiah, and Azura were in charge, the Tribunal was there, sorta), I beleive this to not have been the case. Check this out from Qwerty's Interview with 3 Booksellers-
"Dorisa: ..... I have never seen Vivec myself, but I have felt his presence. I know that he loves his people and protects us. He is no far-away idea like your uncaring Imperial gods, but flesh and blood."
Flesh and blood? Sounds awefully suspicious to me. How did the Tribunal become gods? Why are they more then normal Dunmer? More importantly- why are they different from the Et'Ada? They are neither Aedra nor Daedra, so what are they?
Ift is my firm belief that they are Dunmer (or, in Vivec's case at least, Chimer/Dunmer), pure and simple. They are Dunmer who became very powerful and very popular, and have been adopted as gods. Consider- they are bodily entities. They reside in cities (remember, the city f Vivec isn't just a city to honor the god, it is actually his home). They were BORN to Dunmer mothers (the 36 sermons of Vivec begin with his birth).
I also think that their ascent to godhood might have something to do with the 5 Songs of King Wulfharth... In this myth, we get an image of the Tribunal eliminating those who are at odds with them. They destroyed the Dwarvers "for their hubris; that Nerevar’s peace with the Dwemer would be the ruin of the Velothi way", and in the process they destroyed Nerevar- "son of Boethiah, one of the strongest Padomaics. He is a hero to his people despite his Tribunal".
Alo- here's a note from loremaster affamu in response to a point about the Nords in Morrowind- "Well, the Nords *were* there... Only the combined might of the Dunmer and Dwemer could drive the foreigners out to found Resdayn. After the Battle of Red Mountain and the mysterious disappearance, the Dunmer no longer needed Dwemer technology for defense -- by then, they had the Tribunal."
You see? The Tribunal was what gave the Dunmer power to get rid of the Dwemer. And I think this all relates back to Lorkhan because he had a hand in the destruction of the Dwemer, and maybe even in the power of of the Tribunal. In one of the songs, he is trapped beneath Red Mountain for eternity. Maybe the Tribunal were powerful Dunmer before this event and "gods" afterwards? This remains to be seen. And I think this whole thing relates back to the PSIJIC ENDEAVOR because, as I said, to the Elves, the endeavor probably doesn't entail a fundamental change of being as much as a growth of power, popularity, etc. And the Tribunal fits the bill.
Anyway, this is all lots and lots of speculation with no facts to back it up really. Like Qwerty said, this is something that will be very important in Morrowind (part of the main quest, actually IMNSHO)
Anyone with something to add (or something to shoot down), please let me know what you think.
Raptormeat
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Raptormeat,
Thank you for your insight. Now, if you do not mind, I would like to add to your speculations...
Some might dismiss the following words as ravings of a lunatic. Others might say that I have been researching this topic to the point where delusions have set in. Either way, here goes:
After reading your post, I went back and read the introduction of the Morrowind article in Computer Games Magazine:
"In 3E 427, with Imperial authority weakened by questions of succession, the already shaky Imperial Administration of Morrowind was threatened by the re-awakening of an ancient curse beneath the giant volcano Red Mountain, also called 'Dagoth-Ur.' An Imperial courier marked by stars, born on a certain date to uncertain parents, came to Morrowind a stranger and outlander, and lived to become one of that nation's enduring legends."
The part that I highlighted I find to be of particular interest. What if the main quest ended with one's character being elevated to "godhood" based upon your description as "a growth of power, popularity, etc?" After completing the main quest, one could walk around and be treated as such.
I guess I am "adding fuel to the fire," so to speak. Anyone have any thoughts?
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What about this, from the Pocket Guide, page 42-
This is a note written by the unnamed Altmer Traveller
"Uncle, what is the last confirmned record of the Tribunal? My tutor always answered my questions about their fate with 'All divine endure.' Could Septim be the outsider prophesized by Lorkhan's Cult? All signs point to the Tribunal's continued power, although dormant~"
Ok clearly the Tribunal isn't dormant anymore. That might be because of the 400 year time difference, who knows.
The thing I'm interested in is the Lorkhan's Cult business. Also note that ken said in this RPGVault interview that one of the main themes of Morrowind was the "the obscure riddles of the Nerevarine prophecies". And the outlander Hero of Morrowind? "he's cursed by some mysterious prophecy"....
Prophesies? Lorkhan? Nerevarine? Hmmm... Where have we heard these names in conjunction before? And nevermind that ken once said that, as part of the main quest of the game, "you might HAVE to terminate the existence of one or more IMmortal beings".... I'll take bets as to who THAT might be.
Talk about fueling the fire.
Raptormeat
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I now believe that I understand the relationship of the Altmer to the Psijic Order, and in turn, the Psijic Order's relationship to the Psijic Endeavor, which was my original intent. However, I still feel that several questions still remain unanswered. Specifically, WHY is Lorkhan related to the Psijic Endeavor in Morrowind?
I feel that I must approach this topic from the other side.
Altmer--->Psijic Order--->Psijic Endeavor*<--Lorkhan<--Dunmer
*At first, I thought that the Psijic Endeavor was an attempt to "overcome" or "circumvent" what Lorkhan had done when he broke the Aldmeri's connection to the spirit plane. To a certain extent, I still feel that way. However, that does not answer why, "In Morrowind, for example, he is a being related to the Psijiic Endeavor, a process by which mortals are charged with transcending the gods that created them" (Altmer Gods).
When I went back and reread Raptormeat's post, I began to think about his "Tribunal Theory." Maybe he is correct, and the acts of "defeating" the Dwemer and Nerevar were the key points in the Tribunal's popularity and "acsension." Therefore, Lorkhan is being associated with the Psijic Endeavor in Morrowind BECAUSE the defining act in the Tribunal's "ascension" was their hand in the apparent defeats (The Secret Song of Wulfharth Ash-King).
This idea is dependent upon Raptormeat's assumptions being correct, but it would put to rest my question of Lorkhan's association with the Psijic Endeavor.
I must further investigate this idea.
Edited by B (03/03/02 12:30 PM)
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Like you said, it's definitely a theory, and a shaky one at that....
But, even if I'm not coming up with the right answers, I feel like we are asking the right questions here. The Tribunal, the Psijic Endeavor (or some form of it), Nerevar, the Dwemer, the Dagoth House, Lorkhan, the Morrowind Main Plot.... I think these things are more important and intertwined than they might at first appear...
If my theories are correct (to which I have a bit of doubt, and a bit of hope ) then it would tie up the whole package pretty nicely, anyway...
Raptormeat
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In all my research, I have yet to find evidence of any mortal "ascending to godhood". The Tribunal, well -- if they ever existed at all, which is open to some question but likely considering the extent of their latter-day legend -- but they were certainly no more than Heroes of their time, whose exploits founded a sect which continues to this day. I have no doubt that behind the Tribunal masks lie a line of secretive but mortal Dunmer who have inherited the position and its traditional magicks (as well as a fearsome priestly bureaucracy). Any other interpretation is irresponsible speculation by the humbug-peddlers that seem to be the curse of our modern age.
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Oh Gods.... Hasphat Antabolis kinda-sorta-agrees with me..... I can't help but think that that bodes poorly for my theory  
Raptormeat
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I must reflect on your words, and see where that puts me in my research (I fear it is back to square one).
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'Cause it's Antabolis, the Skeptical One. Ever denying everything that does not fit into the tight frame of his little materialistic mind. Next thing you know, there was no Warp of the West, and no Tiber Septim, and no Underking...
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Just passing on a letter from your friend and mine, Jobasha.
Jobasha must put an end to this imposter. Hasphat Antabolis lives in Balmora and could eaily seek out an Ordinator or Bouyant Armiger or a priest who has seen Vivec in the flesh -- for yes, this is how Vivec appears to his followers. Whether Vivec is truly a god, or was once a man, Jobasha cannot say.
Jobasha will say that whoever keeps abusing Hasphat Antabolis' name is not the same as the old Cyrodiil Jobasha met last week. And Jobasha will say not to believe Hasphat when he says he knows everything about the Dwemer. Jobasha found a Dwemer book. Jobasha then let Hasphat put his bald paws all over it for days before he admitted that he could not read it.
The Tribunal has not been seen often since the last erruption of Red Mountain and the creation of the Great Ghostfence, but they have been seen. The Temple claims that they are busy protecting the Dunmer from Dagoth Ur. The priests claim that even the slightest distraction could destroy all of Morrowind, and even all of Tamriel. Jobasha urges you not to take anyone as humorless as a Dunmer priest too seriously.
If men become gods instead of gods creating men, where did men come from? Jobasha has heard of this "King of Worms" but is he a god? Jobasha does not know. Jobasha has heard the story of Arkay, but Khajiit believe Arkay was born of Ahnurr and Fadomai and was never a man.
As for the Psijic Endeavor, Jobasha has heard much talk. Artaeum is near Summerset Isle, but not all Psijics are Altmer. Most are men, not mer.
By "transcending" the gods, Jobasha does not believe the Psijics wish to give themselves the power of the gods. Of course, Jobasha is no Psijic, so Jobasha cannot say...
Lorkhan's role is the same one he always plays. Lorkhan is how the Mundus came to be. To transcend the Mundus, one must learn the Daedra's trick of how to be part of the Mundus without also accepting its limits. The Dwemer knew this thing. Perhaps the Psijics attempt the same. Perhaps that is why Artaeum disappeared and the Psijics only claim it was intentional instead of an accident...
All mer, Psijic or not, despise Lorkhan, for they believe he ended some sort of Elven Utopia. Khajiit praise him, though not too loudly, for he gave us possibility. We Khajiit are blessed, for our possiblity is guarded by the dead moons, but we can still hear Azura whisper her secrets. Unlike our cousins, the Bosmer, who have too much posisbility and are so blind to Azura's wisdom that they will not acknowledge Khajiit as being in the same litter.
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affamu,
Thank you for passing on this letter from Jobasha. I have a few very quick comments about some of the things he said, as the rest sinks in
"To transcend the Mundus, one must learn the Daedra's trick of how to be part of the Mundus without also accepting its limits. The Dwemer knew this thing."
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I wish wee had the :eek: smilie!!!!!!!!!
"Perhaps the Psijics attempt the same. Perhaps that is why Artaeum disappeared and the Psijics only claim it was intentional instead of an accident..."
Maybe this gives some insight into how the Dwemer dissapeared????
"We Khajiit are blessed, for our possiblity is guarded by the dead moons"
Jobasha! What are you saying? Since when is JonenJode dead?!?! I know that Kier-jo at least wouldn't be too comfortable with that
Raptormeat
PS- there's just too many "Hasphat Antabolis"s
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Well here is another little thing on the ascensionto godhood theme:
"It has been theorized that gods do in fact gain strength from such things as worship through praise, sacrifice and deed. It may even be theorized that the number of worshippers a given Deity has may reflect on His overall position among the other Gods. This my own conjecture, garnered from the apparent ability of the larger temples to attain blessings and assistance from their God with greater ease than smaller religious institutions.
There are reports of the existence of spirits in our world that have the same capacity to use the actions and deeds of mortals to strengthen themselves as do the Gods. The understanding of the exact nature of such creatures would allow us to understand with more clarity the connection between a Deity and the Deity's worshipers. "
from An overview of gods and worship in Tamriel
Of course this is a statement by one "Brother Hetchfeld" who may have not been quite unbiased in these matters.
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Thank you! I feel forever in your debt for this information. This will be a great help in my research.
I find this piece of text interesting:
"As for the Psijic Endeavor, Jobasha has heard much talk. Artaeum is near Summerset Isle, but not all Psijics are Altmer. Most are men, not mer."
This definitely changes a few of my beliefs. In Fragment: On Artaeum, it stated that, "The Psijics on the Isle consisted of persons, mostly elves, who had disappeared and were presumed dead over the second era." I guess that was inaccurate. A lot of my theory was based on the Psijics being Altmer. Oh well, still good to have the information, though.
Thanks again!
P.S. What race would they most likely be? Or would they be their own race? Hmm, possibly a mix of several human races.
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Dear Guild Members,
My research continues despite a major setback. The five little words, "Most are men, not mer," have dealt a significant blow to my previous work. But fear not, it is as I've always said, "One should not ask the question, unless he or she is prepared to hear the answer." Several of my questions have been answered. Now I must reflect upon their meanings.
Basically, I made the mistake of trying to project the Altmeri belief upon the Psijic Order, in an attempt to decipher their motives. Instead, I should have analyzed the Order as a group in and of themselves with no direct connection to any specific race and/or belief other than their own. They are, in reality, their own group, separate from others; practitioners of the Old Ways or Elder Ways.
Now for the task at hand, proof of ascension. On this matter, I found Jobasha's letter to be extremely enlightening. I would agree with the questioning of Arkay, but for different reasons. Based upon Arkay the God, Arkay seemed to live in relative obscurity. He kept to himself and was finally granted godhood by Mara. Not quite the proof for which I am looking.
As far as the King of Worms, I too, have yet to see proof of his "godhood." However, even if he has become a god, it would be the result of the Mantella granting him his power in the phantom world. This would not satisfy my requirements as proof of the "Psijic Endeavor" due to the fact that the Mantella was used.
I must take leave, for now. I wish to further examine the letter that was presented earlier today. There are still more secrets to be examined.
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From laundry-day, insomnia, and very tiring negotiations with one of the neglected parts of my brain, I bring you the latest from Jobasha:
Jobasha is very sorry for not being more clear. The Psijics prior to the disappearance of Artaeum were mostly Altmer. Since the island's return, more men than mer, primarily Bretons and Imperials, have joined the order. From the scents on the wind, Jobasha believes the Psijics have little to do with the Elven lie.
Jobasha is very sorry for using such an Elven phrase as "dead moons." Perhaps Jobasha has lived in Vivec City too long, for the unknown scribbler in the margins of the "Pocket Guide" is correct: all divine endure. Jodenjone sacrificed themselves for duty, for love, for "significant form" as Cherim says. They, even more than Nirni or Azura, are the Khajiti creators and protectors. The Lattice guards Nirni as well, even when the foundations and the children are at war. They are Ehlnofey...
But Jobasha knows you would bore of dreary, clan-mother teachings, so Jobasha speaks of something else.
Jobasha has read all the sermons of Vivec right under the Ordinator's noses in the Hall of Justice. There are so many of these "Sermons" these days... Poor Jobasha cannot even tell you who wrote them or when.
Jobasha found this sermon in an unusual place. Jobasha cannot say anything about the truth of this sermon. Jobasha is no priest or Psijic. Jobasha only shares what Jobasha finds.
In reply to:
Sermon Zero of the Thirty-and-Six-and-Nine Sermons of Vivec
This is the truth of Sermon Zero, which is neither one.
He was born a poor Netchiman, but rich in his Wife and in Wisdom. Eternal are their names, mother and father of Vehk, Berahzic and Irdri.
Generous silver chalice, sword in the clouds, dying-radiant lady-star. He entered the Temple, passed the seven veils, beheld his wife, Berahzic. O: the word, the deed, the end inevitable: O!
She asked of him truths beyond words, and he answered without words, but added in completion:
"There is nothing beyond bliss, after death comes the void. Only then are we free to love. Figuring father Peryite would stamp it and catalogue it. And Mephala mother, embracing black hands, would smother it. Gods such as us must be gentle with all our children, both flesh and spirit, a seed-apple potpourri."
On that night Berahzic named her children but did not know their sum.
Dreams of peasants, a Netchiman's dream. IRDRI HLAFEM VEHK HYKRO.
Silence is the command of the Aedra, the howling horror in the cavern of the heart, the laughter of Berahzic. Nocturnal's Black Skies, Peryite's Golden Order, Meridia's Green Generations, Mehrunes' Red Rage, the Sighs of Berahzic. O, her diamonds and crescents a crimson dawn over armies arrayed for battle, her dark and silent eyes the blinding snows of Solitude.
Many thousand millions are the visions of aminreaV. A, awake, the first and last, the King of I.
Netchiman Irdri on the next day took his wife and newfound treasure to meet the Dwarf-King at the end of Bthuangthuv.
There Kagrenac gave him the thrice-secret word:
RPDXGBWGHPZBXLOdZaZeXLdCIBNGJZereZDQOPhtHVVeKVPrCSa
NYyehBtCdInMZGaJRVeRrMGZuGCCIsHTZaLVeRFOrPZPKBPtORsKI
iONhXTtPKFgHTVOnolJRVJEeZVKWQIbHVCMNnoIivFiVMlYVCBbCVV
FoDIdInWaWIrLZVeVCMmewNIdGYIeKhTNtZTVoXVDKZt
Here the true key lies. Vivec is the lesser or false key.
For in the beginning was the Word: Spoken by a Great Ape.
For in the beginning was the Word: Three by Seventy-two.
For in the beginning was the Word: ALMSIVI.
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Ah me! You should be the Duke's jester, Jobasha (or perhaps you already are?). You still know how to make an old man laugh. Leaving aside the vague native-Khajiit-straight-from-the-Deep mumbo-jumbo, the only point I need address out of your ramblings is the absurd notion that using the testimony of a Temple official to determine the existence of a god is like asking a thief as you pass him on your threshold whether he stole anything. I think the true scholars among us will understand when I ask for better evidence than that to prove the existence of the Tribunal as living entities stretching back into the First Era.
I will not rise to your blatant provocation in the matter of the Dwemer. I believe my publications speak for themselves on that score. And you Jobasha? I would guess that gulling tourists from Cyrodiil and High Rock with your tales has fulfilled the height of your scholarly ambitions.
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I bear the mark of Jobasha under 30 day law. Let none hinder on pain of sharing.
Morag Sultha
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Cat-meat:
You prate about that which you do not understand. Take these words to heart:
"There is a fourth kind of philosophy that uses nothing but disbelief.
For by the sword I mean the sensible.
For by the word I mean the dead."
Morag Tal
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A curse on the Khajiti House:
"PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel and from her male sons and [forbidden] I have heard and the voice of the weak [forbidden] of the men who are fighting [forbidden] of raging women who curse and afflict and cause pain they have descended against them Aedra, Etadachiel and Padachiel, The Dagonites the great and The Unnamed Baron and Sahtiel and seized them and by the tufts of hair and the tresses of their heads and broke the horns which were high and tied them by the tufts of hair of their heads and said to them "remove that which you have cursed" and they said to him "from the pain of our heart we cursed and from the bitterness of our palate we resolved to curse" I have made you swear and adjure you in the name of Aedra and Etadachiel and Padachiel and The Dagonites the great and The Unnamed Baron and Anuiel that you release and free [forbidden] PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel and [forbidden] male and female from [forbidden] all the curses [forbidden] cursed and from the curses of [forbidden] and the mother and from the curse of the prostitute [forbidden] and the fetus and from the curse of the employee and employer who stole the wage and from the curse of the brothers who did not divide truthfully among themselves and from the curses of all people who curse in the name of idol demons and their surrenderings you are the healer you are the healer who heals sicknesses with words you are the healer who turns away the sicknesses and the curses of those who cursed PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel in the name of the Aedra and Etadachiel and Padachiel and The Dagonites and The Unnamed Baron and heal and annul the curses of those who curse PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel. And upon a stone which is unsplit I sat [forbidden] and I wrote all of the curses upon a new bowl of clay and I sent back the curses of those who cursed PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel to their masters until they release and bless in the name of Sariel the angel and Barakiel the angel and in the name of Sariel and Barakiel you release from the curses of those who curse PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel as a man as a man is freed from the house of bondage and from the house of weapons ALMSIVI ALMSIVI AL SEHT [forbidden] may there be health and sealing [forbidden] and to the house of PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel and to the male sons [forbidden]."
Learn true Scripture as I stuff your mouth with birds.
Morag Sultha
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Take heed, friend Hasphat. Those who mock, whether in ignorance or malice, may be called to partake of the mystery of PSJJJJ.
Morag Tal
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Oh Gods! Now you've done it Jobasha!
I feel so guilty about prompting for info now... Jobasha! Get out of Vivec, man!!! Don't let them get you! (I want you to keep writing letters, after all)
Raptormeat
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My Beloved Brothers and Sisters,
I hope this letter finds you well. After you read the words that I have scribed on this parchment, I would not blame you if you were to question my sanity. But let me assure you, I am quite capable of translating these pages without "babbling idiotically over the text for days before catching fire."
With that being said, I must inform you that I am being watched. Every book I examine, every page that I turn does not go unnoticed. Unfortunately, I cannot prove it. For every time I turn around, there is no one there. I must compliment my observers on their training.
My words be of warning: Be ever vigilant!
Who would have thought that dealing in a commodity such as information would have such "Occupational Hazards?" One "person" in particular has sent words of enlightenment, only to have his life threatened. At the moment, I feel no direct danger to my life, but my turn could come at any moment. Therefore, I must be cautious in what I write.
But I digress...
As I was saying, Jobasha has sent me a bit of information that I find to be useful in another matter or should I say, an associate's matter. The Khajiit writes, "The Psijics prior to the disappearance of Artaeum were mostly Altmer. Since the island's return, more men than mer, primarily Bretons and Imperials, have joined the order. From the scents on the wind, Jobasha believes the Psijics have little to do with the Elven lie."
While some my not care for the wording, the meaning cannot be ignored. Could it be that the Order has fallen! Have they lost their true Ways? It might be as my associate had suspected. I hope Jobasha is mistaken.
However, if it is true, all hope is not lost, there are others in Tamriel that will continue the Ways. For the associate that I spoke of earlier, is a Guardian of the Elder Way. He always told me, "The weakest souls, called Men, will bring Sithis into every quarter." I try to overlook those words being one myself. It appears that he might be right in the case of the Psijic Order.
Once I confirm this information as truth, I will send word to him. He will, undoubtedly, be saddened if this information turns out to be true. Then, having sent word, it will have fulfilled a debt, and I will be free to investigate the other information that Jobasha has sent.
I dare not say more at the moment. I fear that I have already said too much. I know that others will have read my words before they reach your hands. I will write when I have found something new.
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Pretender Hasphat, you are showing your true stripes with this straw-pell. Jobasha does not believe the testimony of one priest, but the testimonies of hundreds of Dunmer. Short-tempered slavers and bullies they may be, but they are not completely ignorant. Perhaps you should walk across the street and have a few words with Jobasha's good friend Dorisa.
Jobasha has no "scholarly ambitions." Jobasha is just a poor bookseller. All your troubles start from your own ambitions, but you will not listen to Jobasha. Your Dwemer books are as hopelessly inaccurate as that First-Era fraud Gor Felim, better known as "Marobar Sul," that you rant and rave so much against.
Jobasha thinks you want to impress the Dunmer, not to teach them, but to serve them. Jobasha asks that you remember how they treat their servants.
Jobasha doubts you even scented the true meaning of this "Sermon Zero." Perhaps the Sweeps or Temple Climbers are more suited to your talents.
"Learn the true Scripture as I stuff your mouth with birds."
Such mild threats. Jobasha almost believes the Empire might civilize you after all.
Neither Eno Hlaalu nor any Exalted Master would issue a Writ on poor Jobasha, not even a Grey Writ. Jobasha knows many secrets, and Jobasha knows the the Duke's daughter's secrets. Jobasha is well guarded against the lower, less enlightened ranks of the Tong.
To the letter B,
The Psijics still have much influence and mystery. Jobasha does not believe their teachings, whatever they may be, have been diminished by the "nemer" who have joined them.
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Kier-jo thinks it is very much like a thing an Elder Way-warder would say.
"The Weakest Souls, called Men, will bring Sithis into every Quarter."
"The Worshippers of the Unnamed Lord, know as 'Argonians' on Nirni, are the Descendents of Boethiah and the Serpent-men."
"The Khajiit, created as Servants by the Aldmer, Rebelled against the Natural Order and Conspired with the Doom Drum to End the Merethic Era."
Kier-jo hears it all before.
Tiber Septim was seen in more than one part of Tamriel at the same time and you are content.
Stormcrown was a Breton, no a Nord, no an Atmoran, and you sit and play in the sand.
Anumidium rises in the West and does Eight Things for the Psijics and you do not question.
Your monkeys dance on the Tower and the stars change and you do not remember.
You read the words of the Sermon, but you are blind to the truths between them.
The darkness is reborn, crowned and conquering, and you pull the covers tighter and sleep.
When will you realize what happened to the Dwarves?
When will you Wake from the Elven Lie that all Men believe?
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Gentlemen! Enough!
There is no need for threats or violence. Silence yourself, Jobasha, before someone in authority takes notice.
As for the "Morags," they are like the Trolls. It is best to ignore them or avoid them unless you have spells of fire.
Remember the words of Gaiden Shinji:
In reply to:
The Soldiers are at war with the Masses.
The Scholars are at war with the Soldiers.
The Priests are at war with the Scholars.
The King is at war with the Priests.
The Masses are at war with the King.
Woe to the kingdom where so much is at war.
Only-He-Stands-There
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To the secret dead:
For your time is near.
To that which is not dead, but hidden:
For a poem written in scales and fire.
To that which is not hidden, but damned:
For one who is freed and one who awakens and both reflect the sky.
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I love you all. Roses and Unicorns. Peace.
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TIME OUT
I just wanted to take a few seconds to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread so far. It has been fun...Oh yeah, and enlightening, too
TIME IN
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In reply to:
Originally posted by Jobasha:
To the letter B,
The Psijics still have much influence and mystery. Jobasha does not believe their teachings, whatever they may be, have been diminished by the "nemer" who have joined them.
Jobasha,
I appreciate this new information concerning the Psijic Order. I know that my "associate" will be pleased to hear this. In fact, I am sure that he will visit your shop frequently.
Also, I must thank you for your continued patience with me. I have been analyzing so many texts that I have overanalyzed several of your replies regarding the Order. It took a while for it to "sink in."
Sincerely,
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In reply to:
Sermon Zero of the Thirty-and-Six-and-Nine Sermons of Vivec
This is the truth of Sermon Zero, which is neither one.
He was born a poor Netchiman, but rich in his Wife and in Wisdom. Eternal are their names, mother and father of Vehk, Berahzic and Irdri.
Generous silver chalice, sword in the clouds, dying-radiant lady-star. He entered the Temple, passed the seven veils, beheld his wife, Berahzic. O: the word, the deed, the end inevitable: O!
She asked of him truths beyond words, and he answered without words, but added in completion:
"There is nothing beyond bliss, after death comes the void. Only then are we free to love. Figuring father Peryite would stamp it and catalogue it. And Mephala mother, embracing black hands, would smother it. Gods such as us must be gentle with all our children, both flesh and spirit, a seed-apple potpourri."
On that night Berahzic named her children but did not know their sum.
Dreams of peasants, a Netchiman's dream. IRDRI HLAFEM VEHK HYKRO.
Silence is the command of the Aedra, the howling horror in the cavern of the heart, the laughter of Berahzic. Nocturnal's Black Skies, Peryite's Golden Order, Meridia's Green Generations, Mehrunes' Red Rage, the Sighs of Berahzic. O, her diamonds and crescents a crimson dawn over armies arrayed for battle, her dark and silent eyes the blinding snows of Solitude.
Many thousand millions are the visions of aminreaV. A, awake, the first and last, the King of I.
Netchiman Irdri on the next day took his wife and newfound treasure to meet the Dwarf-King at the end of Bthuangthuv.
There Kagrenac gave him the thrice-secret word:
RPDXGBWGHPZBXLOdZaZeXLdCIBNGJZereZDQOPhtHVVeKVPrCSa
NYyehBtCdInMZGaJRVeRrMGZuGCCIsHTZaLVeRFOrPZPKBPtORsKI
iONhXTtPKFgHTVOnolJRVJEeZVKWQIbHVCMNnoIivFiVMlYVCBbCVV
FoDIdInWaWIrLZVeVCMmewNIdGYIeKhTNtZTVoXVDKZt
Here the true key lies. Vivec is the lesser or false key.
For in the beginning was the Word: Spoken by a Great Ape.
For in the beginning was the Word: Three by Seventy-two.
For in the beginning was the Word: ALMSIVI.
I have learned the secret of Sermon Zero! It is too terrible to inflict apon the unready mind, thus you must seek it for thyself!
-Striker
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My Good Striker,
I, too, have seen that which is hidden in Sermon Zero! I must agree with your assessment. It truly is "too terrible to inflict apon the unready mind."
The secret is but a "small" part of the thrice-secret word, and to see it clearly, one must look upon the words "in a different way."
Only then, will the true secret be revealed!
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Ah, Jobasha sees what you see. But Jobasha thinks this is just a clue for Jobasha to look deeper...
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Ah! The "Great Houses" smell hints of truth, or perhaps ideas on the horizon! Just like them to place contracts on those who think abroad. They must surely fear something that my dear friend Jobasha shares in his wisdom. To share knowlege from ledger, whether it be true or not; is this the fear? As I have stated throughout the past 600 years, the Tribunal is losing it's hold on the Dunmer. A contract on the head of my brother Jobasha, a simple merchant in the area of paper and words. The Tribunal fears this? I laugh in the face fearful.
I will not touch the subject of Sermon Zero. Nor shall I pry the Psijic beliefs and disbeliefs. Mortal ascension to Godhood is not a subject for mortal thought. I AM an old and eagerly sought after mortal myself. I have witnessed more than most mortals can even comprehend. I say little to those who actually gain audience with me concerning Sermon Zero. That said, I will leave the inquiring minds with this: Sermon Zero is NOT to be understood. It is incomprehensible and is made thus. It is my belief that it was NOT for the the eye of a mortal. How do I know this? I personally have gained audience with a "witness" to the bewildered. The accounts learned tell me that the WAY of the Sermon is the way, and demise of the Dwemer. Go cautious my friends. Tread not in murky waters without knowing the dangers. Ley this be warning to those who venture.
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Great words from an Enlightened One.
Knowledge is truly precious--like gold, diamonds and jewelry. But some seek to amass it all for themselves! When it is taken and shared with others, they are afraid. Afraid of what might be learned.
Many will heed your advice, and hopefully they understand the risks that MUST be taken. With truth, comes consequences!
I understand those risks and accept them...
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Dear Guild Members,
The deciphering of a hidden message in the thrice-secret word has led to a shocking revelation!
I will NOT utter the full words aloud, nor will I write them in this letter, but I trust that you have discovered the message as well.
It speaks of a treasure, and I truly wonder if this treasure is worth discovering? Any time the words treasure and dead are used together, one is likely to feel uneasy. But I must ask: What is this treasure?
In one of his earlier letters, Jobasha says, "To transcend the Mundus, one must learn the Daedra's trick of how to be part of the Mundus without also accepting its limits. The Dwemer knew this thing."
Could this be the treasure of which the hidden message speaks?
Is this treasure simply knowledge, or is it a tangible object that can be wielded?
I must seek out these answers in the texts or have someone go to Vvardenfell and gather information for me...
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Now for the dead of which the hidden message tells. Death isn't always an ill omen. Practitioners of the Elder or Old Ways know this to be true. In the hidden message, is dead a term of good or bad fortune?
When my eyes fell upon that word, it reminded me of an earlier message from Nafaalilargus:
"To the secret dead:
For your time is near.
To that which is not dead, but hidden:
For a poem written in scales and fire.
To that which is not hidden, but damned:
For one who is freed and one who awakens and both reflect the sky."
Is Nafaalilargus speaking of the Daedra, the Dwemer, neither, or both? Riddles of this kind are sources of great frustration, but oft times they are the most rewarding when solved...
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These are but a few of my findings. As you can see, new discovers lead to new mysteries, and as I have said before, "One should not ask the questions, unless he is prepared to hear the answers."
I AM prepared to deal with these answers; therefore, I continue to ask the questions!
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This has been very entertaining! I wish Jobasha luck! Please let us know you are ok!
Look at the first and last letters of each sentence in Sermon Zero. Thre is another message here, but it doesn't help! I bet there are more, too. Maybe something about the 3 and 72? I don't know what the first one means. About the second one, the crime of Vivec, maybe he stole something? That would be in line with the "three thieves" being the Tribunal.
"To the secret dead:
For your time is near.
To that which is not dead, but hidden:
For a poem written in scales and fire.
To that which is not hidden, but damned:
For one who is freed and one who awakens and both reflect the sky."
Maybe the "secret dead" refers to the Dwemer? Can it be the Dwemer if they are not really secret? But there are other possibilities. What about the King of Worms or some ancient Vampire? I don't think it could be the Daedra, unless one of them died, and I never heard of that. I think the "not dead but hidden" must be a dragon: "a poem written in scales and fire." Maybe Nafalilargus? What if he didn't die on Stros M'kai? What about the last one? I have no idea... I can't think of anything or anyone that was really "damned" except maybe Lorkhan by the other gods.
"Tiber Septim was seen in more than one part of Tamriel at the same time and you are content.
Stormcrown was a Breton, no a Nord, no an Atmoran, and you sit and play in the sand.
Anumidium rises in the West and does Eight Things for the Psijics and you do not question."
Maybe there was more than one? Two men (brothers?) who shared the throne? And more than one Anumidium as well? In one of the "Denizens" interviews (which I can't find  ), I remember a Khajiit talking about "Big Walker" and how there was more than one.
In your "Dragon Broke" topic, I bet the "High King of Alinor" is "the one who broke" is "Auriel" is "Akatosh." I think you're on the right track thre.
Doesn't the Psijic Order have something to do with Padomai/PSJJJ? Maybe something to do with the moons?
We need to lock Divayth Fyr in a room for questioning!
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BenduOlo,
Thank you for your insight. It is great to have assistance in this matter. With your guidance, I found the two messages of which you spoke. For those who wish to follow us:
If you take the first letter of each sentence and read them in that order, you will find a message.
If you take the last letter of each sentence and reverse their order, you will find another.
After some time, I will discuss these two messages. I want to give my colleagues some time to work on it without me spoiling the excitement.
In reference to the word damned in the line "To that which is not hidden, but damned, the Dunmer are known as the "cursed" elves. The damned could mean the Dunmer.
Let me know if you find anything else.
Sincerely,
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The Dragon God consumes all things:
By Letters (Dunmer)
By Numbers (Altmer)
By Sounds (Dwemer)
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Tiber Septim was seen in more than one part of Tamriel at the same time and you are content.
Stormcrown was a Breton, no a Nord, no an Atmoran, and you sit and play in the sand.
Anumidium rises in the West and does Eight Things for the Psijics and you do not question.
Your monkeys dance on the Tower and the stars change and you do not remember.
You read the words of the Sermon, but you are blind to the truths between them.
The darkness is reborn, crowned and conquering, and you pull the covers tighter and sleep.
I think the point of this statement is to show us that what we think we know as the truth may not be so. And just because countless alter egos of the devs have stated something as true doesn't make it so. Take the Warp of the West for example, I am almost sure that this didnt actually occur and hopefully I'll eventually post my proof. Also the sentence about the monkeys seems to point to the Dragon Brake and the truth behind it.
As for the hidden messages of Sermon Zero, the first seems to suggest to me that Men cannot assend to the status of gods. And I have no clue as to the seconds meaning
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As I was searching through numerous texts, I stumbled upon a unique interview. I found two passages that peaked my curiosity. Take a look at them. I will highlight a few things for you:
Dres Molagi, Mansion Chaplain of Lichen Fields, Tear:
Listen: "Of all the et'Ada who wandered the early Nirn, Trinimac was the strongest. He, for a very long time, fooled the Alcharyai [Aldmeri - MN] into thinking that tears were the best response to the Sundering. They cried and shamed our ancestors, especially the feminine Saliache [High Elves - MN]-they even took the Missing God's name in vain, calling His narratives into question. So one day Boethiah, Prince of Plots, precocious youth, he tricked Trinimac to go into his mouth. Boethiah talked like Trinimac for awhile then, and gathered enough people to listen to him. Boethiah showed them the lies of the White et'Ada, the Aedra, and told them that Trinimac was the biggest liar of all, saying all this with Trinimac's voice! Boethiah told the mass before him the Tri-Angled Truth. He showed them, with Mephala, the rules of Psijii's Endeavor. He taught them how to build Houses, and what items they needed to bury in the Corners. He demonstrated the right way to wear their skin. He performed the way to walk to achieve an Exodus. Then Boethiah relieved himself of Trinimac right there on the ground before them to prove all the things he said were the truth. It was easy then for his new people to become the dark Moriche [Chimer - MN], the Changed Ones."
Xal, a Human Maruhkati, Port Telvanis:
Ah. I will tell you the truth, because you will believe none of it. The Brass God is Anumidum, the Prime Gestalt. He is also called the divine skin. He was meant to be used many times by our kind to transcend the Gray Maybe.
The first to see him was the Shop Foremer, Kagrenac of Vvardenfell, the wisest of the tonal architects [Mechanists - MN] Do not think as others do that Kagrenac created the Anumidum for petty motivations, such as a refutation of the gods. Kagrenac was devoted to his people, and the Dwarves, despite what you may have read, were a pious lot-he would not have sacrificed so many of their golden souls to create Anumidum's metal body if it were all in the name of grand theater. Kagrenac had even built the tools needed to construct a Mantella, the Crux of Transcendence. But, by then, and for a long time coming, the Doom of the Dwarves marched upon the Mountain and they were removed from this world.
The second to see the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and Talos. The Oversoul was known to the world as Tiber Septim They gave birth to their Mantella, this time an embodiment of the healing of the Man/Mer schism, and, with it, Anumidum Walked. But, by then, and for a long time coming, One betrayed the Other, and the world shuddered as they split, and the Anumidum went berserk and created an Empire of Evil to house the malignant half of its soul.
And what of the Warp in the West, where it is said six Anumiduma were seen in six different places at once, each one carving out a different mortal's destiny? We could see that High Rock is unified no more, that the flags of Nova Orsinium are real, that the Sload Priests talk to their new God of Worms, and none of them serve the sick heir of the Septim line; we could see all this and know that it is true. This Warp is but a realization of the trap that is the Gray Maybe, and that champion of release, the Brass God, has but reminded us again what the failure of his misuse means in the Arena Mundus.
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I stumbled upon this information, and I thought that I would move it in here:
In reply to:
Posted by Divayth Fyr the Psijic
Bump indeed! My studies and research has had me so preoccupied recently that I have been careless about these discussions. The Psijic Endeavor. Why, were I not a Psijic myself, I may have had the time to discuss this subject more promptly.
Man becoming Godly? Perhaps a mere shadow of a God is more appropriate? And to "surpass" a God, well, now we are speaking of a grand gift. One really must be thoughtful of the "Gods" before one can even imagine gaining such a high power/command. Who and what are the Gods? Are they true beings of power? Are they merely Man with incredible ability? Are they figments of our frightened imaginations; something that comforts us in our time of loss and fright? IF, indeed, these "Gods" are beings that scripture and ink bring us to believe, then any Man could fathom the idea of being One.
This brings up many other interesting revelations. The Dwemer apparently had the Gods on the virge of fear with their new and amazing power (thus, the term, "technology" could be used). Did the Dwemer seek out such Godly power and attempt to achieve a sort of Nirvana? Not much different than the Psijic Endeavor one would imagine, BUT, were the Dwemer Psijics, or of the sort? Did they get close enough to frighten even the Gods, and find a heavy punishment awaiting? The Heart of Lorkhan was, by Legend, cast into Vvardenfell, creating Red Mountain. The Dwemer were native to this region, and had they uncovered this Heart, it seems likely that they would have the ability to gain something from it. Why else would Lorkhan and Dagoth Ur storm the Mountain? Surely, Lorkhan would dearly love to retrieve his Heart, but Dagoth Ur was also intent on the unknown power of the Heart. The Dwemer were merely an obstacle, no? Expendable. Dagoth Ur had no love for the Dwemer. Surely, the Endeavor is an idea to all mortals, but is is possible? One is led to believe that, had the Dwemer or Dagoth Ur succeeded in controlling this Heart, would it perhaps be The Key to opening the door? The Heart of a "God" in possession of a mortal. The idea is very exciting yet horrifying.
As a Psijic of the New Ways, the Dwemer appear to have been most successful in the Endeavor than any mortal. Their Endeavor is not the shared Endeavor of the Old Way. The New Way, so I speak with no REAL title, is the Way in which I have devoted my research to. I find this New Way to be most delightful a study. The Dwemer have taught me more about the "ideals" of the Endeavor than any Psijic could have in 1,000 years. So many questions, so little time. Finding answers appears to be the primary purpose of mortal existence.
Divayth Fyr the Psijic
"As a Psijic of the New Ways, the Dwemer appear to have been most successful in the Endeavor than any mortal."
Absolutely amazing! I wonder how many other people have devoted themselves to the New Ways? Seems to me that there would be a little tension between the Old and New Ways.
"The Heart of Lorkhan was, by Legend, cast into Vvardenfell, creating Red Mountain. The Dwemer were native to this region, and had they uncovered this Heart, it seems likely that they would have the ability to gain something from it. Why else would Lorkhan and Dagoth Ur storm the Mountain?"
Good question! This would explain a lot.
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>>I wonder how many other people have devoted themselves to the New Ways? Seems to me that there would be a little tension between the Old and New Ways.
I'd say so. There's a lot of difference between the Old Ways, where the Psijics are supposed to be neutral counselors to kings, and the New Ways, which seem to be about attaining some significant if not divine power of their own.
Oh, Psijic kids today, I tell ya ...
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SPOILER ALERT!
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So far, with some help, I have found three messages hidden within Sermon Zero. There still may be more secrets to discover.
Now comes the difficult decision. I wrestled with this for days, and I wasn't sure if I wanted to post any information, thus, ruining it for some. In the end, I was reminded of one of my earlier quotes from this thread:
"Knowledge is truly precious--like gold, diamonds and jewelry. But some seek to amass it all for themselves! When it is taken and shared with others, they are afraid. Afraid of what might be learned. "
With that being said, I feel I must, at the very least, guide you to the secrets. Therefore, I will share what some of us have learned from Sermon Zero.
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If you take the first letter of each sentence and read them in that order, you will discover a message relating to gods and men:
If you take the last letter of each sentence and read them in reverse order, you will discover a message about Vivec:
In the thrice-secret word, if you take the lowercase letters and read them in reverse order, you will discover a message about the Dwemer:
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In reply to:
Sermon Zero of the Thirty-and-Six-and-Nine Sermons of Vivec
This is the truth of Sermon Zero, which is neither one.
He was born a poor Netchiman, but rich in his Wife and in Wisdom. Eternal are their names, mother and father of Vehk, Berahzic and Irdri.
Generous silver chalice, sword in the clouds, dying-radiant lady-star. He entered the Temple, passed the seven veils, beheld his wife, Berahzic. O: the word, the deed, the end inevitable: O!
She asked of him truths beyond words, and he answered without words, but added in completion:
"There is nothing beyond bliss, after death comes the void. Only then are we free to love. Figuring father Peryite would stamp it and catalogue it. And Mephala mother, embracing black hands, would smother it. Gods such as us must be gentle with all our children, both flesh and spirit, a seed-apple potpourri."
On that night Berahzic named her children but did not know their sum.
Dreams of peasants, a Netchiman's dream. IRDRI HLAFEM VEHK HYKRO.
Silence is the command of the Aedra, the howling horror in the cavern of the heart, the laughter of Berahzic. Nocturnal's Black Skies, Peryite's Golden Order, Meridia's Green Generations, Mehrunes' Red Rage, the Sighs of Berahzic. O, her diamonds and crescents a crimson dawn over armies arrayed for battle, her dark and silent eyes the blinding snows of Solitude.
Many thousand millions are the visions of aminreaV. A, awake, the first and last, the King of I.
Netchiman Irdri on the next day took his wife and newfound treasure to meet the Dwarf-King at the end of Bthuangthuv.
There Kagrenac gave him the thrice-secret word:
RPDXGBWGHPZBXLOdZaZeXLdCIBNGJZereZDQOPhtHVVeKVPrCSa
NYyehBtCdInMZGaJRVeRrMGZuGCCIsHTZaLVeRFOrPZPKBPtORsKI
iONhXTtPKFgHTVOnolJRVJEeZVKWQIbHVCMNnoIivFiVMlYVCBbCVV
FoDIdInWaWIrLZVeVCMmewNIdGYIeKhTNtZTVoXVDKZt
Here the true key lies. Vivec is the lesser or false key.
For in the beginning was the Word: Spoken by a Great Ape.
For in the beginning was the Word: Three by Seventy-two.
For in the beginning was the Word: ALMSIVI.
What other secrets does Sermon Zero hold?
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Alas!
"This is the truth of Sermon Zero, which is neither one."
From these "so called" hidden messages, which I applaud you on, do you see truth? The first line, through strange misconception, leads one to believe that this message can be taken as false word also. Much of what I already know is quite alarming, and the truth is just around the corner from all unknowing citizens of the Empire. I do hope, for the sake of Tamriel, that we are prepared for any upcoming revelations or long tucked away truths. If the "ghost" is indeed walking among us, the times we are all witnessing, may be in for quite a shock.
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I see nothing but gibberish. The lower case letters don't form words; the upper case make less sense; reading it backwards is no help; reading it up and down instead of side to side yields nothing; striking out the letters in the secret word which are also in "Vivec" or "ALMSIVI" or whatever it is didn't seem to help either.
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Interesting....
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Wow! An old thread of mine has been bumped. Boy, I sure did have a few misconceptions early on in my work.
I miss AFFA MU. Well, at least we still have WormGod, uhh, I mean, Divayth Fyr.
For those of you who are new to the topics, here's a bit of information concerning the Psijic Order, the Morag Tong, and the Dark Brotherhood: Source of ChaosIn reply to:
This particular passage was found by Nohept dir'Kamal among the papers of the Tharnatos, mostly talks about Dark Brotherhood (and Morag Tong).
"...appropriately, Padomay is just as ineffable an entity as Anu. This is how the Psijiic Order treats him, at least. His original (Aldmeris? Ehlnofex?) name is PSJJJJ, which is and was meant to be unpronounceable. The Order was founded and organized to divine Padomay's eternal and ever-changing mystery. "Sithis" is a corruption of "Psijii" which, in turn, was a derivation of the high concept PSJJJJ. Sithis was born when a nihilist sect of the already doom-ridden Chimeri merged (under Mephala’s tutelage) Daedric elements with the Inexpressible Action that was Padomay. In essence they began to revere Padomay's Chaos nature (as opposed to that of Anu, who is Order), and over the years degenerated into a thuggish mystery-cult which wanted to "murder the world." The Dark Brotherhood was born in these times-- which, in Morrowind, is known as the Morag Tong. Some of the higher-level Morag Tong maintain that they predate the Dark Brotherhood (more evidence of this later). That, in fact, they are an organization devoted to playing out the eternal interplay of Nir. Assassination, they say, is the purest celebration of joy or living. Whatever the case, the Padomay of Morrowind (and isolated Dark Brotherhood sects) is not the Padomay of Artaeum...."
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Thats good to know. I bumped it because I found it through the imperiel library and when I tried to find it through manually looking through this three page forum it wasn't there. Apparently the topics dissapear or something. I have my viewing set to show all. Oh well. Good to see your still here B.
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Also B, How trustworthy can we considerer this Knowledge. From what I get from that passage its saying the The Dark Brotherhood is the Morag Tong. Any Morag Tong member knows that this is not true. The Morag Tong is the sworn enemy of the Dark Brotherhood. Isn't the Dark Brotherhood a faction that was started by a bunch of misguided MT members? Just my point of view. Its nice seeing a legend such as B.
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Its nice seeing a legend such as B.
Thanks, but I hardly consider myself a legend. There are so many other people who have been here longer and know so much more than I do. All I do is ask questions and search for answers. I'm probably not much different than you.
Anyway, I would think that the source is fairly reliable, but I have no way to know for sure. I think the references to the Dark Brotherhood and the Morag Tong mean that the idea applies to both groups; I think the text just lumps the two into a single, new group for its purposes. Meaning, the Dark Brotherhood and the Morag Tong both feel the same way about Padomay. It does kind of imply that they are the same, but then it goes on to say that the Morag Tong claims it was there first. The author didn't share all his/her information on that topic. If you ask me, as far as their purposes are concerned, the two groups are pretty much the same (I'll probably be hunted down for saying that).
But as you know, if you asked a member from each of the two groups, they would tell you that they were quite different and then probably kill you for bringing up the subject . I'm just kidding. Their causes are too righteous to do THAT  .
Basically, the idea of Change that Morrowind, the Dark Brotherhood, and the Morag Tong have is not the same as the view of the Psijic Order.
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One thing I never figured out was what was with the "[forbidden]" things in Morag Sultha's little speech there on the first page. Were those things having to do with Morrowind(the game) that we weren't supposed to know yet or what.
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They're similar in the fact that they both are assasians. The Dark Brotherhood seems to be more secretive and more spread out than the Morag Tong. Many quests have been placed upon my by the Morag Tong leaders and they have involved spread out Dark Brotherhood members. Similar in purpose different in beliefs.
On a seperate note : I wish I had more knowledge of what I was talking about.
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THE GHOST OF A GOD IS NO MAN
vivec comitted no crime
to the dwemer and oblivion belong this treasure and they are there dead
What do they mean, Vivec comitted no crime? I would be very interested to know the answer to this question. Perhaps he did not kill Nerevar after all?
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Vivec says he didn't kill Nerevar, but the rumor that he did was told by Alandro Sul, a shield companion to Nerevar who lived among the Ashlanders. Vivec says Nerevar died of his wounds, I, personally, believe him there.
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What does Vivec have to gain by saying he didn't kill the Nerevar and make himself a god - People will still follow him. People tend to not care for cold blooded killers and fakes.
What does the sheild companion to the Nerevar have to gain by saying Vivec killed him? Nothing. The only one who remembered his name was Vivec.
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I have read this thread and been doing a little reserch of my own so i thought i would add my 5 pence .
It seems to me the the dwarf's and the Psijic order were both trying to do the same thing but by different means, both were trying to draw power from the world and the Aedra, the difference is that the dwarfs were doing it so they could ignor eand abandon the deadra the Psijic order were doing in order to maintane a balance and fight the deadra's influence.
The deadra draw there power from the world and its people even if someone fights the deadra they still achnoledge there presence and beleve in them, so they are acepted and left alone the dwarfs trying to create a new god and therefore forever free themselfs and in time perhaps the world would mean the ned of the deadra so had to be stopped.
The pact Sothra Sil made with the deadra princes seems to have changed the world and those on it, this is why the Psijic's left so that they would not be affected by the pact made, but what exactly did Sothra Sil give up to the Deadra princes ?.
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Exactly, what did he give up? Perhaps he gave up his immortality, knowing that his actions in the bargain would cause the path to spiral down to his own death. Maybe that's why nobody knew what he gave up, because it died with him (sorry, bad pun).
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I think he at least told the psijic order and the other members of the tribunal about the pact he made and all the detail's , The pain is that You never get to ask Vive or Almalexia About it and the Psijic order arnt in morrwind so no luck finding out what happened. O and i forgot old sotha left absolutely no notes or records behind so you never find out anything from him so in a way im glad he got killed he deserved it the pain LOL, but i dont think that any of the deadra would have wanted his imortality after all there all already immortal but they did want something, Probably something pretty terrable but what who knows i doubt the devs will ever give up that info if they infact ever decided the details of the pact .
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They both may be right, at least think they are. The way the shield companion viewed it, Nerevar went to see the Tribunal, some time later, he was dead. He jumps to the conclusion that the tribunal killed him. Alternatively, he KNOWS that Nerevar dies of his wounds, but the story is twisted in the couple of thousand years it is carried down through ashlander generations.
Of course, there is the possibility that he meant it in an indirect way, although that is less likely...
Even in the account that claims that the Tribunal murdered Nerevar(Nerevar at Red Mountain), it is stated that Nerevar was dying BEFORE he went to see the Tribunal, so it's not unlikely he died of his wounds, and not at the hands of the Tribunal. I think the Tribunal'd be aquitted in court, to put it that way
Of course, Azura should know....I just can't remember if there are any reliable sources where she states that they actually killed him. Even if you could ask her, I'm not sure she is reliable. It would make sense for her to nurture any negative feelings you may have against the Tribunall if some of the thoughts on this forum is true....
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All the following are no more and probably less than "if" statements:
My God! I'm starting to relate real-world religious beliefs to those of a video game. Personally, I really don't believe in any higher powers (though I respect and advocate the world's many beliefs), but, through this thread, I got to thinking. If gods and such are heroes or nobility of the highest grade that lived in another era, then would that mean that there's a higher power beyond that. TRUE Ordinators that created this reality we know to create a sort of 'perfect' people (Gods), to exist in the TRUE plane. What if, our reality is only a testing ground to put only the truly successful, revolutionary, and great people through to the True Plane to be the 'perfect beings'. Aren't we strange, us humans. We think too much for our own good (I'm not speaking for EVERYONE, rather this is a generalization). I truly don't like thinking this way because I know the true answers are beyond my reach and comprehension, but I can't help it, I'm only human
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My Friend, I hope you do not jest, and if you do, I hope you understand what you mean. You, my friend, are far closer to the truth than I have heard many speak of, I was shocked when I read your post that one might stumble upon such teachings. Shocked is not the word, as it is to be expected in actuality. Pleasantly surprised.
Do not be afraid to take such assumptions from unlikely sources such as literary works and even games, for those that work with their creative aspect open themselves to intuition, and often speak more truth than I am sure even they themselves are aware of.
It is not only to those successful people that such a destiny belongs, but all of existence, thinking manus being but a higher step in that onward evolution.
Aye, it is our destiny all to achieve perfection, to first become a god, and then god itself, that infinite divinity, that, after such time is allowed for dissolution in the breath of the divine, we may play a part in the building of creation as those before us have with us.
I say this not with jest, and if you, or any else are TRULY interested in what I say, then I will allow some means for you to contact me, or rather, means that you might discover any truth for yourself, for what is required to be my truth may not be yours.
I should not speak of such things, but the way has been cleared before me, so much speculation and error ( I do not speak of you, rather of others of times past ), that the true nature must be set right, or rather, held openly and available to all who seek it.
No doubt those that have no need or wish to hear of such things will, no doubt, mock my words, as has been done to those before me in the past. I rest assured that those who this might reach will be reached, but any error I take upon my self, in my interpretation, and not the teachings themselves.
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This last post(by 31415...whose only post was that one)...is that a dev?..and if so, I'd hate to see this little piece of info slip away...
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Interesting, yet, not a scholar that I know of. Seeking understanding from a pit with no foreseeable bottom is often the most joyous journey in life. Often times, the pit has no bottom.
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In a world of Duality there is no perfection, so far as I understand the term.
There is that which is nothing, from which everything is a part of, yet I feel that Divayth Fyr was correct in relating something in the form of an analogy, and it being that our existance is a cycle so there is no straight line from one end to the other to perfection, but rather a never-ending circle that is composed of Birth, Death, and Rebirth.
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Thank you for your insight, Divayth Fyr.
The journey itself holds more relevance than what lies at the end (especially if there is no end to speak of).
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Seeking understanding from a pit with no foreseeable bottom is often the most joyous journey in life. Often times, the pit has no bottom.
Your words ring true, Master Fyr. As one “falls” down a bottomless pit, he is afforded much time to reflect upon that path. Since there is no foreseeable end in sight, I am given more time to revisit my work.
It has been more than a year since I first appointed myself as a Historian of the Psijic Order. Along with that duty, I have taken it upon myself to investigate the Psijic Endeavor in an attempt to understand the motives of the Order. I must admit that I’ve certainly obtained a great deal of insight on various matters—some directly related to the Order and others not. Unfortunately, there is so much more to be discovered about the Order and their Endeavor.
Some new views have been presented, and I must admit that I am more than a little intrigued:In reply to:
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If gods and such are heroes or nobility of the highest grade that lived in another era, then would that mean that there's a higher power beyond that. TRUE Ordinators that created this reality we know to create a sort of 'perfect' people (Gods), to exist in the TRUE plane. What if, our reality is only a testing ground to put only the truly successful, revolutionary, and great people through to the True Plane to be the 'perfect beings'.
This view could be similar to what the Psijic Order believes. Perhaps not all would be “perfect,” but at least they could achieve a higher state of existence since our ancestors die and live on in a higher realm or plane.
I have also examined the words of one 31415. That name conjures images of a circle or wheel in my head, but perhaps the vision I am having has no relevance whatsoever.In reply to:
It is not only to those successful people that such a destiny belongs, but all of existence, thinking manus being but a higher step in that onward evolution.
Aye, it is our destiny all to achieve perfection, to first become a god, and then god itself, that infinite divinity, that, after such time is allowed for dissolution in the breath of the divine, we may play a part in the building of creation as those before us have with us.
This is also a fascinating interpretation. Perhaps this view is closer to what the Psijic Endeavor hopes to achieve. Then again, maybe the Order knows this to be true but seeks to control the process by only selecting the men and mer that they feel to be "worthy." In any case, this view presents the idea that ALL of us can achieve ascension or perfection, not just the “Great Heroes and Villians” of our times. This view also seems to imply that there are more stages in that evolution. With the right knowledge and teachings, can ordinary men and mer truly achieve such a feat? I cannot say for sure.
If reports out of Morrowind are correct, then the Tribunal appears to have done something similar. However, it is certainly NOT the Endeavor of the Psijic Order. In fact, I am hearing new reports that at least two members of this Tribunal may have been killed. So, did they truly succeed? But then again, are they truly dead? Perhaps they have merely passed on to a different realm or plane only to be seen again in the future. If one is inclined to believe the Nerevarine Prophecy, since Nerevar has supposedly returned, perhaps the members of Tribunal could do the same.
Ah, but I feel as if I’ve begun to ramble. I have so many questions, and with each new answer, comes only more questions. Thankfully, I may have been given plenty of time to ask them because as I “fall,” I do not know if I will ever reach the bottom.
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In fact, I am hearing new reports that at least two members of this Tribunal may have been killed. So, did they truly succeed?
I see the trail you are following, and it is a promising one. You ask did they perhaps fail since being killed...remaining in the mundus (mortal or immortal) does not seem to be the "perfection." By my interpretation, the Psijic Order attempts to promote leaders/heroes/etc who are "good," in hopes that once they move on to the next plane(s), they will help to bring balance to those that wish for change and destruction. The Deadra have shown us that physical presence in the mundus is not required to affect mortal lives (although it can certainly help). (And perhaps this was part of the Old Ways...and the Order now indulges in different matters?)
I'm beginning to lose my original thought, and as I write, there are too many questions to be answered to make a good arguement. As such, my main point was that although the Tribunal were "killed" (with the exception of Vivec), that is still not to say they haven't reached something similar to the Psijic Endeavor. There are many, many questions yet, but I do believe one of the Order's wishes is to balance the mortal plane and life as a whole by helping to bring balance to the other planes through means of the Endeavor. Beyond that, I cannot say, for I know too little in the matter.
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are we talking about some crazy stuff here like Lorkahn is coming back for some vengeance? seems to me that this is what is being set up with these secret messages.
the thrice secret word.... the dwemer became fuel for his new incarnation... and the tribunal seems to be the vehicle. heh even the title of the next addon hints at this ... sorta
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I have played with tree by seventy-two and this is what i fund.
Spoken by a great ape.
3+70+2 =75=there
3 = 3=born
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3/72 =24=berahzic
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I dont now if this is of eany truth to sermon sero
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It is quite odd that the
Mages Guild were, are, and will be a rebellious group, seeing how magic has pretty much taken over Vardenfel...If you think about it ... why are some groups hostile towards them, the wizards could easily wipe the great houses off of the map...think about it: Swords V.S.
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one on one a mage might be able to beat a warrior but what if it was 3 or 4 warrior's onto each single mage ?.
But it seems more like the mages guild is as accepted as any guild, every guild that is willing to serve the empire is at least tollerated, So long as it conform's pay's homage to the empire.
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It is not perfection, I believe, but prowess. There will be a great war, and both sides are gathering soldiers. Aedra choose those who are good, who wish for stasis and order, Daedra have those who desire change and chaos, and ultimately evil. Why do you think the Psijics believe so much in keeping good men powerful and powerful men good? Because powerful people may go to rule in Oblivion, and if they are on the side of stasis they will fight for the Aedra. You did not sincerely believe that Psijics counsel people without thought of personal gain, did you? They want to steer the rulers to the way of stasis, enlighten them to constancy.
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a few hellfire scrolls, I'll bet on the Mages...But thats just my opinion.
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Uhh, what about Telvanni... They are much more powerful than the simple Mages Guild folks...
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I agree that the Mages Guild has a lot of political influence throughout Tamriel. Then again, there are a lot of factions that play a significant role in Tamriel politics.
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Even though some may feel that their time has passed, I believe the Psijic Order has a great deal of power and influence. We certainly have not heard the last of this Order.
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There will be a great war, and both sides are gathering soldiers. Aedra choose those who are good, who wish for stasis and order, Daedra have those who desire change and chaos, and ultimately evil. Why do you think the Psijics believe so much in keeping good men powerful and powerful men good? Because powerful people may go to rule in Oblivion, and if they are on the side of stasis they will fight for the Aedra. You did not sincerely believe that Psijics counsel people without thought of personal gain, did you? They want to steer the rulers to the way of stasis, enlighten them to constancy.
Even though I posted something similar to this, I do not believe that it is quite that simple. I do think that sides will have to be chosen, but it won’t be a clear-cut decision. IMO, you cannot have Order without Chaos. The Mundus would not and cannot exist without them both. Therefore, the Aedra and the Daedra are intertwined.
I haven’t exactly figured out where the Psijic Order fits into all of this Aedra vs. Daedra nonsense. They have consulted with the Daedra in the past, but I do not believe that they are trying to help them invade the Mundus. I could be wrong, though. I do know that they work with Change not stasis. The difference is that their Change is not the chaos that I believe many of the Daedric Princes seek to bring.
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Perhaps the sage Taheritae said it best: “In Mundus, conflict and disparity are what bring change, and change is the most sacred of the Eleven Forces. Change is the force without focus or origin. It is the duty of the disciplined Psijic [“Enlightened One”] to dilute change where it brings greed, gluttony, sloth, ignorance, prejudice, cruelty... [here Taheritae lists the rest of the 111 Prodigalities], and to encourage change where it brings excellence, beauty, happiness, and enlightenment. As such, the faithful counsel has but one master: His mind. If the man the Psijic counsels acts wickedly and brings oegnithr [“bad change”] and will otherwise not be counselled, it is the Psijic's duty to counterbalance the oegnithr by any means necessary [emphasis mine].”
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Perhaps some of these questions and inconsistancies can be answered once we have the opportunity to travel to the Isle and have counsel with their members. I do not think the Psijiic Order would help the Daedra in thier aims for Mundus, whatever that may be. But I would not discount at this point that something is definatly not right within the ranks of that Order presently, something just screams 'In-fighting' or 'Take over' to me about the apparent dissapearance and re-emergance of the Isle, along with its apparent change of leadership and composition of races.
Could it be that the Isle's dissappearance was the result of Daedra planning to overtake Mundus once more? Is the Isle really full of elves and men that were presumed dead, or something else?
Something else of note:
From Fragment: On Artaeum:
The earliest written record of Psijics is from the 20th year of the First Era and tells the tale of the renowned Breton sage and author Voernet, traveling to the Isle of Artaeum to meet with Iachesis, the Ritemaster of the Psijics. Even then, the Psijics were the counsellors of kings and proponents of the "Elder Ways" taught to them by the original race that inhabited Tamriel.
What is this Original Race? The Alessians?
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What is this Original Race? The Alessians?
I had just presumed it was a reference to the Ehlnofex (sp?), the ancestors of mer and men.
Incidentally, i presume that this quote from Sermon Zero:
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For in the beginning was the Word: Spoken by a Great Ape.
Refers to the Prophet Marukh, from whom the Alessian teachings stemmed?
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I wanted to bring this thread to everyone's attention.
I love this thread.
And besides, it's packed with goodness!
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Reading through this thread yet again reminds me of how much I loved researching the Psijic Order. I keep meaning to finish my “Guide to the Psijic Order,” but I haven’t been motivated lately. I have about three whole paragraphs written with many, many more to go. I’m tempted to post the few paragraphs I do have written and then try to add a new paragraph each week. That way I’ll be a little more motivated. Oh well . . .
While I’m here, I want to tie up a loose end with this thread. It certainly isn’t new information, but as I reread this thread, I noticed an unanswered question that I had some time ago. We’ve known the answer for a long time, but I just felt like posting it here:
My original question was how could a group of Altmer be so obsessed with worshipping Change. I couldn’t understand why (or how) the Psijic Order could coexist in the Summerset Isle with the rest of the Altmer population when it seems that most Altmer worship Anu. Well . . . I found out the answer from Vivec. He said, “It is interesting to note that their [the Psijic Order] original views were very unorthodox for Altmer, and thus their exile from Alinor.”
So you see . . . they were kicked out! I know it was kinda pointless to post that here, but it makes ME feel better. 
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I'm tempted to post the few paragraphs I do have written and then try to add a new paragraph each week. That way I’ll be a little more motivated. Oh well . . .
Please do, I for one would certainly be interested in your work (the topic of the Psijics is clearly one of those which really need a good synthesis, and new ideas and developments are always welcome) - besides, it would probably make MK happy to see that there are still scholarly topics being discussed around here  (especially by one of the fossi.. dinos... Cthu... ahem, Great Wise Very Old Ones of these boards )
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besides, it would probably make MK happy to see that there are still scholarly topics being discussed around here (especially by one of the fossi.. dinos... Cthu... ahem, Great Wise Very Old Ones of these boards )
That would make me happy, too.
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In order to improve the performance of the forums, there was a mass deletion of older threads recently. Several in this forum were bumped up to prevent them being vaporized. 
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I will third Karnath and Tegger's statements. I would very much enjoy seeing you continue your work on the Psijiic Order.
Something not to odd but its something I just noticed is that there are two spellings of "Psijiic" one with two i's one wtih three. Both are used numerous times in books so its not like one is just a one time misspelling. Not that its very likely there is some deeper mystery to the spellings, just something I felt like pointing out.
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Very nice! Thank you for saving this post from that big recycle bin in the sky.
I was wondering why there was a number of older posts bouying to the top recently. Good work. 
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So, does this mean we have simply allowed Almalexia to go rule in Oblivion? We should have imprisoned her.
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